Posts tagged Tim Drake

Posted 1 month ago
cornflakepizza:

cornflakepizza:

kai-chu:




discowing:




ag-sasami:




koncubine:




dccomicconfessions:




“I hope that, somewhere along the line in the reboot, DC revamps the Red Robin series and puts Fabian and Marcus back on. I’d be a very happy fangirl.”




THIS FOREVER




Man, I gotta say I stand behind all of this except for the Fabian part. I have always hated the way FabNic writes Tim. Always. He becomes this super pretentious, self-involved, super heteronormative, douche bag when Fabian writes him. By and large, that isn’t Tim Drake based on all of his other writers. Does Tim get pretentious? Fuck yes. Is he self-involved? Sometimes, of course he is; he is both human and a teenager through most of this. The thing is though, these are only aspects of his personality, character flaws that sometimes come out in some situations. You know. Like a well developed character who is meant to be like a real person. And he’s mostly been aware of them, and he used to acknowledge it when he fucked up because he was dwelling in those parts of himself. Not always, but mostly. 
Except, when FabNic writes him, those flaws are all he’s reduced to. I feel like a quick summary of his internal monologue would read something like, ‘I’m Tim Drake-Wayne. I am a god among men. I love the ladies and the ladies love me. I am impossibly perfect. Nobody else has an opinion that matters, because I am clearly both superior and running this goddamn show.’ It’s like he becomes this weird Alpha Male, some caricature of what a “a real superhero” looks like. Manly man doing manly things. 
It makes me miss the super nerdy, self-aware Tim Drake that freaked out when he realized how expensive being a super hero was and how much he probably didn’t have that kind of money anymore. What about the Tim Drake who built himself a rocket skateboard when his car got taken away, who listened to Enya and let his best friend make fun of him for it? Where is the Tim Drake who actually feels guilty for lying to people he cares about and has what borders on an obsessive fear of failure? Tim Drake used to cry over everything, and it was awesome. He used to feel things that weren’t related to how awesome he is or perceives himself to be. What was great about Tim was that when he messed up he knew it and acknowledged it. He was incredibly relatable.
When Chris Yost wrote Red Robin we had a Tim Drake who was faced with the very real sense of being both bereaved and completely, utterly lost in the world, not knowing who he was anymore and where the hell he was going. With Fabian Nicizea we have a Tim Drake who thinks he is without sin and above judgement (literally, I think actually including a phrase that says, roughly, ‘I am totally without a single flaw’ during the arc where Gotham was being judged by Azrael et al.).Granted, the early arc of RR had Tim Drake dealing with abandonment issues and the loss Bruce Wayne. I will grant that FabNic did not have this level of angst to deal with and that might make the latter 2/3 of RR less compelling from an emotional standpoint. But Tim wrestling with very real identity issues, even in the context of being a superhero, made him endearing and identifiable. Even without that kind of personal drama though, Tim can be a very real person in his very unreal role as a superhero.
However, the fact remains that FabNic is consistent in his depiction of Tim, from way back when he was Robin under Bruce’s Batman until now when he is essentially independent. And I feel like the longer he writes Tim, the less he looks like my favorite character.  




so well said




REBLOGGING FOR THE COMMENT.
Red Robin was sooooo good until FabNic wrote that arc. Ergh, such a dissapointment.




Fabian Nicieza is also responsible for
Jason wanting to start a gang war amongst underprivileged children, undoubtedly leading to numerous deaths and injuries, and suddenly being chummy with Tim
Tim saying “do you normally eat that much?” on his date with Tam (which might have been okay if it were played off like Tim being awkward on a date with a super hot babe, but n o p e was treated as a totally normal thing to say to a woman while she’s eating)
Titling the end of Red Robin #24 where Tim is being sexually assaulted and threatened with rape and murder as “What a Way to Go!”


 # WHAT A WAY TO GO! HOW ABOUT WHAT A WAY TO NO # STOP IT


I was not the biggest fan of early Red Robin either (I had not read the stuff leading up to it tho, so probably that’s why it felt a bit flat) but it was pretty okay. But yes, as the title progressed to Fab Nic’s part I started feeling the increasing urge to punch Tim in the face every second page.

cornflakepizza:

cornflakepizza:

kai-chu:

discowing:

ag-sasami:

koncubine:

dccomicconfessions:

“I hope that, somewhere along the line in the reboot, DC revamps the Red Robin series and puts Fabian and Marcus back on. I’d be a very happy fangirl.”

THIS FOREVER

Man, I gotta say I stand behind all of this except for the Fabian part. I have always hated the way FabNic writes Tim. Always. He becomes this super pretentious, self-involved, super heteronormative, douche bag when Fabian writes him. By and large, that isn’t Tim Drake based on all of his other writers. Does Tim get pretentious? Fuck yes. Is he self-involved? Sometimes, of course he is; he is both human and a teenager through most of this. The thing is though, these are only aspects of his personality, character flaws that sometimes come out in some situations. You know. Like a well developed character who is meant to be like a real person. And he’s mostly been aware of them, and he used to acknowledge it when he fucked up because he was dwelling in those parts of himself. Not always, but mostly. 

Except, when FabNic writes him, those flaws are all he’s reduced to. I feel like a quick summary of his internal monologue would read something like, ‘I’m Tim Drake-Wayne. I am a god among men. I love the ladies and the ladies love me. I am impossibly perfect. Nobody else has an opinion that matters, because I am clearly both superior and running this goddamn show.’ It’s like he becomes this weird Alpha Male, some caricature of what a “a real superhero” looks like. Manly man doing manly things. 

It makes me miss the super nerdy, self-aware Tim Drake that freaked out when he realized how expensive being a super hero was and how much he probably didn’t have that kind of money anymore. What about the Tim Drake who built himself a rocket skateboard when his car got taken away, who listened to Enya and let his best friend make fun of him for it? Where is the Tim Drake who actually feels guilty for lying to people he cares about and has what borders on an obsessive fear of failure? Tim Drake used to cry over everything, and it was awesome. He used to feel things that weren’t related to how awesome he is or perceives himself to be. What was great about Tim was that when he messed up he knew it and acknowledged it. He was incredibly relatable.

When Chris Yost wrote Red Robin we had a Tim Drake who was faced with the very real sense of being both bereaved and completely, utterly lost in the world, not knowing who he was anymore and where the hell he was going. With Fabian Nicizea we have a Tim Drake who thinks he is without sin and above judgement (literally, I think actually including a phrase that says, roughly, ‘I am totally without a single flaw’ during the arc where Gotham was being judged by Azrael et al.).Granted, the early arc of RR had Tim Drake dealing with abandonment issues and the loss Bruce Wayne. I will grant that FabNic did not have this level of angst to deal with and that might make the latter 2/3 of RR less compelling from an emotional standpoint. But Tim wrestling with very real identity issues, even in the context of being a superhero, made him endearing and identifiable. Even without that kind of personal drama though, Tim can be a very real person in his very unreal role as a superhero.

However, the fact remains that FabNic is consistent in his depiction of Tim, from way back when he was Robin under Bruce’s Batman until now when he is essentially independent. And I feel like the longer he writes Tim, the less he looks like my favorite character.  

so well said

REBLOGGING FOR THE COMMENT.

Red Robin was sooooo good until FabNic wrote that arc. Ergh, such a dissapointment.

Fabian Nicieza is also responsible for

  • Jason wanting to start a gang war amongst underprivileged children, undoubtedly leading to numerous deaths and injuries, and suddenly being chummy with Tim
  • Tim saying “do you normally eat that much?” on his date with Tam (which might have been okay if it were played off like Tim being awkward on a date with a super hot babe, but n o p e was treated as a totally normal thing to say to a woman while she’s eating)
  • Titling the end of Red Robin #24 where Tim is being sexually assaulted and threatened with rape and murder as “What a Way to Go!”

 # WHAT A WAY TO GO! HOW ABOUT WHAT A WAY TO NO # STOP IT

I was not the biggest fan of early Red Robin either (I had not read the stuff leading up to it tho, so probably that’s why it felt a bit flat) but it was pretty okay. But yes, as the title progressed to Fab Nic’s part I started feeling the increasing urge to punch Tim in the face every second page.

Posted 1 month ago

comicverso:

Tim Drake/Robin, por Mike McKone

Posted 1 month ago
Posted 1 month ago
discowing:

royalprat:

sometimes tim makes bad decisions in life like his wardrobe

It’s his “real boy” disguise

discowing:

royalprat:

sometimes tim makes bad decisions in life like his wardrobe

It’s his “real boy” disguise

Posted 2 months ago

redhoodsandbloodyhearts:

gruskek:

redhoodsandbloodyhearts said: Chuck Dixon can’t write in my opinion. He sucks.

I’ve seen people saying that he’s okay with overall plots and coordinating stuff (he was the main Bat writer for a long while if I’m not mistaken), but that he’s not great with referencing prior continuity (he kind of does what the heck he wants) and characterization. 

And that would be just about right. That’s what makes his Tim stuff awful to read. I’m 100% sure that his goal wasn’t to make the kid unlikable but that’s what he did. 

He also worked (with another dude but still) on Nightwing: Year One, Batgirl: Year One and Robin: Year One and those were all plagued by the same kind of issues. From a distance the story looks fine (in a summary or something) but it’s the details and various little annoyances that make the books not as good as they easily could have been. 

And imho those Year One books sit with fandom as well as they do, because they have cute art and some cute moments, but really they’re not all that great in my opinion.

Sort of like Red Robin (this time not by Chuck D. but it’s a similar situation hence I’m comparing it) has a mostly shitty story but Marcus To art and some shippy/cute/badass moments (and various Bat and other hero cameos) and hence it’s all over Tumblr (I’m guilty of some reblogs for the art too, ha ha) even tho it’s really forgettable and Tim is mostly annoying in it.   

I’m trying to slog my way through the Robin title because obviously that’s kind of required reading when it comes to Tim. It was such a looong series and it’s where he dates Ariana, and dates Stephanie, and all different kinds of things. But I can’t stand him in it. At all. He’s not funny in the slightest, and he does a lot of not so awesome things that would make a real life person not liked at all. 

But then I read Young Justice, and he’s much better. He’s cute and I can stand to read him. He’s not just the replacement Robin in YJ. 

In his own series, there is nothing that makes Tim Tim, except for the fact that he has a ridiculously huge ego. Like seriously his pride gets bruised constantly and it’s 90% of the reason he goes after people to fight 8|

I’m all for YJ Tim because I keep seeing various panels and he’s a cute dork there. But in Robin (at least at the beginning and at the end - that’s what I’ve read and people say the middle is actually the best xD) he’s a bland asshole.

But yeah, required reading it is. 

Same with Dick’s Nightwing run which I read bits of (and there is some cool stuff ofc but it’s not consistently good) and which often has bad art and horrid pacing :/

Posted 2 months ago

But seriously tho if anyone was being a dick in this part Knightfall (or Knightwateveritwas at this point) it’s not the brainwashed dude who then spent the rest of his life atoning for the things he did then, but “perfect Robin” Tim Drake. 

So get this. Kid admits “woah this dude is acting really weird” and instead of doing something about that he’s like:

- wah wah wah without Bruce this isn’t the same so I give no fucks about my Robin job any more

- I got a date with this girl which is vastly more important then the crisis developing right before my eyes

- also my Robin car is cool and oh no how can I commute on public transport like a normal person now (he really is upset about it more than about Azbats lol) 

If you care so much about Bruce how can you leave his legacy and all his batjunk and the batcave in the hands of a guy who is clearly not in his right mind. And the excuse “those are just things without Bruce” is bullshit because those are DANGEROUS THINGS THAT ARE BEING USED TO HURT PEOPLE.

You don’t have to be Robin to see that - just a decent person. And yes, he was a kid, but it’s established that he wasn’t even all that scared… just gave little fucks. 

This might be bad Tim characterization or whatever (not gonna argue with you on this, I know there are books where he’s gr8 and all), but if we’re pointing fingers at characters for being dicks based on this fragment canon, Tim ain’t such a sunshine and Jean-Paul isn’t really at fault here.

Posted 2 months ago
discowing:

And that’s why you were never really Batman, Jean Paul. Batman needs Robin, it’s the law.
I don’t think I’ve ever actually disliked a character as much as Azrael. What a dick, augh.
Also, you may notice, this is from 1993 Robin #1, and I haven’t read that book in quite a while, so I might.

I’m no expert on this era (still tons to read left) but wasn’t Jean Paul brainwashed by Templars (I’m not even going to get into that because it’s convoluted, but this is not being an asshole because he is really like that). When they freed him from the brainwashing he was a perfectly good (and very dorky and sweet guy) who had his own ongoing (100 issues) and was a good friend and ally to the bats. His interaction with Cass just after she became Batgirl and couldn’t even speak yet was super adorable for instance. 
So idk if you haven’t read that??? Because any hero can fall to mind control. 

discowing:

And that’s why you were never really Batman, Jean Paul. Batman needs Robin, it’s the law.

I don’t think I’ve ever actually disliked a character as much as Azrael. What a dick, augh.

Also, you may notice, this is from 1993 Robin #1, and I haven’t read that book in quite a while, so I might.

I’m no expert on this era (still tons to read left) but wasn’t Jean Paul brainwashed by Templars (I’m not even going to get into that because it’s convoluted, but this is not being an asshole because he is really like that). When they freed him from the brainwashing he was a perfectly good (and very dorky and sweet guy) who had his own ongoing (100 issues) and was a good friend and ally to the bats. His interaction with Cass just after she became Batgirl and couldn’t even speak yet was super adorable for instance. 

So idk if you haven’t read that??? Because any hero can fall to mind control. 

Posted 2 months ago

daggerpen:

Lynn summarizes DC’s disgusting FaceBook post:

Whoops, we killed a kid, disfigured your heart-throb, and raped your fan-favourite. Such a hard week LOL

The summaries and blurbs they write on their page usually make me sick (such as the shitty valentines which superhero would you date article) but this is a new low.  

Posted 3 months ago

snackage:

chifuyu:

What hurts me most about Lobdell’s writing are the people who honestly believe that it is IC and proper.

Just now, somebody in the Jason Todd tag called Tim of all people one of the ‘outcasts’ of the Batclan.

And I’m like…have you EVER read anything with Tim in it that wasn’t written by Lobdell? Because I have a feeling you didn’t.

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/dies a little lot inside/

Wasn’t Red Robin about Tim distancing himself from the batfam? Sure there were still some family moments but there was a strain in their relationship. I’ m not saying Lobdell is a fantastic writer or that RR was a good comic (personally hated most of it) but this isn’t something completely out of left field. It’s a company policy that had been brewing long before the reboot.

(Source: staticraining)

Posted 3 months ago